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Chris Bocz's avatar

Super impressed with this analysis, very in depth. My only counter to your position is the 2014 coup to remove pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych. Our CIA made a series of covert moves to assist with the removal during the Maidan Revolution. Then following the revolution, US threw over 3 billion dollars in "security assistance. That is an important point that supports Sacks position. It hard to argue that the Ukraine war was a result of deranged imperial ambitions of Putin when US and NATO clearly started it. Putin may have taken advantage of the situation to expand Russia's influence, but he definitely didn't start it. Either way, any loss of life is heartbreaking and the best resolution would be peace.

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Griffin Knight's avatar

Yeah, I will admit that I missed this part, and its a hole in the argument. My response would probably refer the the second article I did, where it really comes down to the Ukrainian peoples slant towards or against Russia. Assuming the US assisted with the overthrow of the pro-Russian leader (and I will admit I know very little about the Maidan Revolution), they still would need to rely on existing anti-Russia sentiments that existed in Ukraine. These sentiments may have been enough to justify invasion anyway, but it's impossible to know. Despite that, I totally agree that we need to find peace for everyones sake.

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Riley Murtagh's avatar

Forsure a combination of the 3. NATO expansion justifies the invasion, which was always the goal. I like to lean on the Zeihan, Russia is in its twilight age of power and this is their final play of the old Soviet regime. It is going to be very interesting to see what unfolds in the next 3-4 years. Does Navalny garner the support if Putin is sick? Unfortunately the oligarchs at the top have a better change of staging a coup. Revolution is on the horizon. That much is forsure.

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Jake Pugliano's avatar

Great outline here. I think both Jason and sacks are wrong here, and it’s some combination of the 3

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